[Discussion] Religion of Peace?

[Kojo]

I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but I found some pictures on the web, and I just wanted to know your opinions on it.

http://michellemalkin.com/2006/02/03/in-their-own-words/

Discuss. If this starts going downhill please, mods, close it.

I thought that most Muslims were peaceful people who hated what was going on in the middle east. These are pictures of some protesters in London who think quite differently. I feel kind of jaded now.

Anyhow, I was shocked at what the signs said, and that this was in reaction to a cartoon (Simply someone expressing their Freedom of Speech). I dunno, maybe they just don't know when to say "I am a big enough person to just turn the other cheek." Either way, Muslim extremists frighten me. And they want to kill me, because I am American. Scary world.

[Atnas]

Well, they certainly are not peaceful. The word infidel they so kindly use kind of gives that away. There are some real problems with Muslim Hoodlums in Europe, my sister has experienced that first hand over in Belgium.

I think we should let sleeping dogs lie. Why on earth insult a religion which treats those who slander it to violence? It's like pointing a toy gun at a cop and getting shot.

Should they react this way? No, but dogmatism yet again compels people to act in an atrocious manner.

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To be honest I'd be fed up if I was a Muslim. I mean, an actual Muslim who believed in Allah. I'd start slaughtering infidels. Look through their perspective.

I'm tired of religious extremists. It's such a nasty thing.

[Ronove]

No religion has been completely peaceful. It can't be. Unless the religion says: "hey, we believe what we believe, and you believe what you believe", then there can never be peace. I say, if you really think a person is doomed to damnation, let them be. Don't shove your ideals down their throats. What people need to learn to be at peace is tolerance. You can't force people to believe what you believe, and being an extremist is not the way. Being an extremist actually seems to put horrible light on the rest of your religion. A lot of people seem to think Muslims are part of this horrible religion because of these extremists. That's not right. (The ignorance of these people that assume extremists is not right, as with people who think we all talk and act like Bush is not right.) They're supposed to be preaching peace, not going on silly crusades because the countries around you don't believe the same as you.

Tolerance = gooooood.
Hate = baaaddddd.

[Reives]

No religion has been completely peaceful. It can't be. Unless the religion says: "hey, we believe what we believe, and you believe what you believe"Isn't Buddhism something like that, or at least close? :aww:

[Ronove]

Well, ok, I forgot about Buddhism. That does come quite close, but haven't some of the monks kinda lit themselves on fire? :x I'm not sure of that, I could be getting them mixed up with another religion.

[Autumn]

Buddhism isn't a religion ;)

World's crazy, it's all a two-sided coin, a matter of perspectives, with globalisation people clash. Not much y'can do about it, I mean, Bush tried, Al quada tried, etc. You cannot force people to agree with you, I mean, look at history, WW2 anyone? You can say tolerance is good, but that also means tolerating someone else's culture.

If Western culture treasures freedom of speech, and the Islam is very sensitive towards insults, that doesn't mean you need tolerance, that means you need people to change. 'tis pretty hard to change an entire ideology. I mean, you'd be telling the Western society to accept the extremists bombing innocents, or tell the other side: "You guys are a bunch of fuckers and your religion is wrong, FREEDOM OF SPEECH FTW! ADEPT!".

I just think we should say fuck international economy and seperate the world. Even though there will still be conflicts, you can use diplomacy if people have the same or similiar ideologies.

[Atnas]

I just think we should say fuck international economy and seperate the world. Even though there will still be conflicts, you can use diplomacy if people have the same or similiar ideologies.

That sounds smart, but there is the internet. And people have relatives living in other countries.

Most importantly, the US is trying to form a one world government, which kinda fucks that plan up.

[Kojo]

Most importantly, the US is trying to form a one world government, which kinda fucks that plan up.


I did not realize that was our goal. I thought we were just trying to not get bombed, have freedom, and point out injustice (Even though we cannot help everyone), and get a stable economy to better the citizen's lives. But, conquest sounds good. You know.

[Mac]

Not sure what it all is, but i've captured bits of what people have wrote.

But "religion = war", it's always been that way, differences spark conflict and conflict leads to war....it's pathetic really, but as it's said humans were made to kill.

[Ronove]

Hobbes said that humans were violent by nature, and they were in a sense made for killing... But Humans are meant to be able to self-preserve themselves which does not mean they were meant to kill. If we were, wouldn't we have sharper teeth, claws among other things?

[Mac]

Yeah but not everything has sharp teeth, take for example the jellyfish...it has no sharp teeth or claws but deadly tentacles. Now take for example the human, humans have a deadly mind capable of doing anything...we kill animals without giving a rats ass day in and day out....we've wiped out races of animals, we've destroyed homes, we've killed our own kind on an enormous scale, we've done so many bad things...and this is why humans are the most dangerous animals of all.

Therefore we were meant to kill, we don't have to kill to survive yet we do it.

[Autumn]

That sounds smart, but there is the internet. And people have relatives living in other countries.

Most importantly, the US is trying to form a one world government, which kinda fucks that plan up.

Well nice united world we got ourselves eh? I know it's hard, and nobody would ever agree to do so, but to achieve world peace without waiting several hundreds of years for people to assimilate, I don't really see another option. Besides, splitting the interwebz or pulling it out of the air is a rather small sacrifice. For me at least. Also to my knowledge America and Europe aren't likely to go at war at all.

Humans aren't violent by nature, people are ego-centric by nature. Even if one helps another, he/she does this with in his/her mind he/she will get a good feeling from this, or will simply feel like a terrible person if he/she doesn't. All life is ego-centric, else nobody'd survive. The problem with humans is that they defy the unwritten rules of nature and made their own ecosystem. Which keeps population in hand by eh, killing each other, because there is no predator.