Doubt: Revenge

[Alisa_Tana]

Countless bunnies have fallen, eaten and devoured. Shuddered and shivered in the warrens, arguing and bickering while one by one the wolves have hunted and stalked.

Warm and cozy, slumbering and sleeping in their dens, the wolves have grown fat and lazy. Munching and crunching poor and defenseless bunnies to their fill, they lay abated and full.

But something's stirring and creeping in the night.

As morning rises and dawns, the wolves are astounded and flabbergasted. The pack alpha and leader, DerVVulfman has been poisoned and killed. Without their leader, the wolves are disordered and confused.

Who could have done it? Wolves don't kill by poison, they shred and tear - surely it was not a wolf that committed this crime, was it?

One suggests "Maybe it was something he ate?"
One answers "He only ate bunnies...."



Wolves:
Bunnies have infiltrated the den, and are seeking revenge for their fallen comrades. You must decide whom among you is not what they seem. Each turn you must PM me your vote as to which player you believe to be a bunny. I'll collect the votes and then determine who will be torn apart. If you're correct, you'll reveal a bunny. If you're incorrect, you'll have killed a packmate.

Bunnies:
You've been chosen by the council elders to strike back at the wolves. Each turn you'll PM me the name of a wolf to kill. But be careful, as wolves have very sharp noses, and you don't want to be caught!

Ghosts:
You're dead - please keep your involvement to a minimum. Please do not PM active players, and refrain from quoting posts and IRC conversations. If I catch wind of the ghosts being too involved, I will change up roles or cancel the game. Please don't spoil it for the others still playing.

Turns:
since there aren't too many players, we'll have one turn a week. As with other doubt games, the wolves will go first. Wolves (and those pretending to be wolves) Have until Wednesday night to send me your vote. Bunnies will then act by Saturday night.

Players:

Alpha-Mad
Decinoob
Euphony
FzGhoul
GubiD
JuuNi
Lene
NekoThePyro
Pansola
Ronove
Rutix
supershigi

[Ronove]

Haha, that's pretty clever Tana! I really was not expecting that.

[rutix]

:> So the first vote is without a clue?

[Alisa_Tana]

There's a clue in there. But I'm not going to tell you what it is.

[PanSola]

Wolves don't kill by poison

I know Ronnie has killed a bunny previously via poison. Wolves don't kill wolves, but bunnies may poison other bunnies!!!

[Alisa_Tana]

I know Ronnie has killed a bunny previously via poison. Wolves don't kill wolves, but bunnies may poison other bunnies!!!

But it's very hard for a bunny to eat a wolf.

[PanSola]

But it's very hard for a bunny to eat a wolf.

Who said anything about *eating* wolves?

General rule of survival: don't eat what you killed via poison...

[Alisa_Tana]

Who said anything about *eating* wolves?

General rule of survival: don't eat what you killed via poison...


Just that in general, when the bunnies were killed, they were eaten by the wolves. But as it's bunnies doing the killing, they can't eat wolves, and thus must resort to other methods of dispatch. ^__^

[Lene]

I'm guessing stirring and creeping in the night is a clue lol. But knowing Tana it might be a too-obvious red herring.

[GubiD]

The only relation I can see out of that "clue" would that it would point to FzGhoul or Neko(Being a demon and all). Perhaps there is another clue in her message, but that is the only one that stands out to me. Or maybe it is a red herring. I suppose there is only one way to find out.

[NekoThePyro]

I'm a demon? I never knew. Hehe~

"Stirring and creeping in the night" seems to just be part of the story without too much meaning, but that's just me. The poison bit seems a bit more suspicious.

(Also, I starting thinking of a bunny in a wolf costume. It was hilarious. Hehe!)

[Lene]

There is also the writing style. A lot of "this and that" going on. Morning "rises and dawns". Wolves are "abated and full". It's kinda redundant. So maybe we're poiting at someone who has a redundant name. Or who is known by two names that generally mean the same thing.

[GubiD]

Might I just say that I am enjoying the conversation occurring here as compared to the last game. So much more involving if you ask me.

Anyway, I never would have considered that. Very astute observation. I have no idea who that would point to though.

[Euphony]

Poison, poison, poison...Barbatos is always making jokes about poisoned Ronnie cookies in chat. Perhaps Ronnie's a bunny baking some very special cookies for the wolves? Dun dun dunnn~

[DerVVulfman]

As morning rises and dawns, the wolves are astounded and flabbergasted. The pack alpha and leader, DerVVulfman has been poisoned and killed. Without their leader, the wolves are disordered and confused.

I'm.... dead?!? :omfg:

Guess that means no 'Rah Rah Rah' by me for the wolves this go round.

AVENGE!!!!

[FzGhouL]

I'm not really sure what your evidence was for calling me out? I'm more curious than anything to see the thought process.
I agree that the poison trail of thought is more along the lines we should follow.

[PanSola]

I'm guessing stirring and creeping in the night is a clue lol.
The only relation I can see out of that "clue" would that it would point to FzGhoul or Neko(Being a demon and all)
I'm not really sure what your evidence was for calling me out? I'm more curious than anything to see the thought process.
I agree that the poison trail of thought is more along the lines we should follow.

I think the "Ghoul" part got called out when following the "stirring and creeping in the night" trail of thought. So if I were asked to follow Lene's trail of thought then I do see how GubiD would end up with that connection.

But anyways, I'm basing my vote on the "poison" clue.

[Ronove]

;_: What? You guys are mean! Is there anything we might be missing before I get eaten (or do we still get hung if we get voted on?)?

In addition, if we want to go on how she used words, she has a lot of "x and x". Considering there is a large number of them, I think that we shouldn't ignore them. The only one who has posted so far in this thread that is close to an "x and x" idea is Euphony with his user title: "Master of Things and Other Stuff".

[Alpha-Mad]

I managed to hack Ronnie's hardrive and found one of the most incriminating and evil things I have ever seen. This was shot directly after Derv's death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhp1fU1G-tc

[Alisa_Tana]

Just as reminder, votes are due tonight. I'm tallying them up now, but I'm fairly certain I haven't received all 12 votes yet.


And to answer a question in general - I'm not telling you how many bunnies there are. That's for you to figure out.

[PanSola]

And to answer a question in general - I'm not telling you how many bunnies there are. That's for you to figure out.

Assuming there are more than one bunny, do they know who each other are?

[Alisa_Tana]

Assuming there are more than one bunny, do they know who each other are?
The wolves are the only players in the dark.

[Euphony]

;_: What? You guys are mean! Is there anything we might be missing before I get eaten (or do we still get hung if we get voted on?)?

In addition, if we want to go on how she used words, she has a lot of "x and x". Considering there is a large number of them, I think that we shouldn't ignore them. The only one who has posted so far in this thread that is close to an "x and x" idea is Euphony with his user title: "Master of Things and Other Stuff".
OH HELL NO, IT'S ON LIKE POKEMON. *chases after Ronnie with a poisoned cookie*

And I'm not mean, I'm pointing something out just like you are! =D

[Ronove]

=D Whoo! We aren't doing this blindly this time! ;_; J-Just watch out for the red herrings!

[Alisa_Tana]

Votes are in. If there are any last minute changes, you have until Midnight Pacific.

[Ronove]

;_; Am I gonna die?

I don't wanna die this early!
Tana said in chat: "there is a clue and at least one person has figured out what the clue is, but not necessarily what it points to"

Can that person speak up so we can figure out these clues? Besides Euphony, it COULD be Alpha-Mad. The bunnies that Tana are speaking of worked in secret, like a sneak attack of a military. Alpha DOES have a military game. Let's not kill an innocent wolf and find a bunny please. :(

And that's ONE person--so it can't be the poison because everyone jumped on that.

[Euphony]

I think the trouble is, the person who brought up that clue most likely doesn't even know they're correct about it. For example Lene brought up the "stirring and creeping in the night" as a possible clue, but she's just guessing, she doesn't necessarily know that it's actually a clue, so she couldn't speak up about it as you've said.

[Ronove]

Yeah but we could discuss it more like come up with an idea as to why that stood out. Besides, you guys didn't give it much of a chance to be thought about--rather just go on one mention of poison. When how many times is the x and x mentioned in the write up?

[Euphony]

Even though I don't necessarily think that the whole "x and x" thing is that strong of a clue, I invite anyone to change their vote to me, I honestly don't care. xD

[Ronove]

XD Yeah, but it shows up more times than poison does!

[Euphony]

It's true, you have a point~

[PanSola]

well whether poison is a real clue or not, there is probably more than one bunny, so definitely worth considering additional clues.

So keep the discussion going, so we get maximum use out of Ronnie before piercing his heart with a frozen carrot!

[Euphony]

Hey Ronnie's a girl! Also no piercing, just fake eatinz. ;_;

[PanSola]

Tana said in chat: "there is a clue and at least one person has figured out what the clue is, but not necessarily what it points to"


And that's ONE person--so it can't be the poison because everyone jumped on that.Mind I point you to the words "at least"?

[Barbatos]

Hey Ronnie's a girl! Also no piercing, just fake eatinz. ;_;

Ronnie's 100% male~

[PanSola]

Hey Ronnie's a girl! Also no piercing, just fake eatinz. ;_;

This is the internet.


There are no girls on the internet.
The internet is for porn.

[Ronove]

Yes, at least one person--I think that implies ONE person for sure got it, but she's not sure if others had gotten it too or realized it. They may have, but weren't open with it. So something someone said may be the clue, just maybe utilized wrong. I still don't think it's poison because there are a number of things that show up more than once.

[PanSola]

Anyways, current candidate clues include:


poison
Abundant use of "_____ and ______" (phrase structure)
something's stirring and creeping in the night
The pack alpha has been killed

[Alpha-Mad]

;_; Am I gonna die?

I don't wanna die this early!
Tana said in chat: "there is a clue and at least one person has figured out what the clue is, but not necessarily what it points to"

Can that person speak up so we can figure out these clues? Besides Euphony, it COULD be Alpha-Mad. The bunnies that Tana are speaking of worked in secret, like a sneak attack of a military. Alpha DOES have a military game. Let's not kill an innocent wolf and find a bunny please. :(

And that's ONE person--so it can't be the poison because everyone jumped on that.

Rly? A military sneak attack? Come on now...that's a stretch if I've ever seen one. Sounds like bunny talk to me

[NekoThePyro]

The phrase structure of ___ and ___ doesn't seem like it was intentional, to me. But maybe that's just me. I plan to keep that in the back of my mind, but not rely on it too much unless we see it happen again. Perhaps if it happens again in our next clue, we can put a little more thought into it.

The pack alpha does seem like a tiny little hint hidden in there. Hm.

[Ronove]

I dunno, with how many times Tana put it in there, it's hard for it to be a coincidence. I'm not saying it 100% points to Euphony, but the idea is that she put numerous x and x phrases, so that's something to keep an eye on definitely for later.

[Euphony]

Hmm I dunno, I feel like the "alpha wolf" clue is way too obvious, especially since last game we teased Alpha quite a bit about his name. BUT it could also be intentionally obvious to make us doubt it as a clue.

[NekoThePyro]

My, my, only the first round and all this confusion. I can't wait until we get rolling!

[decinoob]

I'd wait for more clues to be honest, but I think Alpha is :O

[Euphony]

Aww so nobody died yet?

[Ronove]

;O; What happened?

[Alisa_Tana]

silently the wolves gathered. They'd followed the clues - or at least what sounded like clues - to their conclusion. One whimpered quietly, but the pleas feel on deaf ears. The Pack leapt, tore, and pulled the victim apart, their snarls deafening.

But inside the body of the wolf, where they expected to find a bunny, they only found regular wolf bits. As one, the wolves let out an echoing howl of shame.

Alpha-Mad was not a bunny in disguise, but he was ripped apart all the same.

some wept, some whimpered, some snarled, and some growled. But in the darkness, some giggled.

(please note, the lack of capitals on the letter "s" isn't a clue, it's my keyboard)

sorry Alpha-Mad, you've been torn apart by your fellow wolves.

[Ronove]

;_; Sorry Alpha! Now to ponder possible clues. ._.

[Lene]

...really guys?

[Alpha-Mad]

From Wikipedia:
Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.[1] For example, in mystery fiction, an innocent party may be purposefully cast as highly suspicious through emphasis or descriptive techniques; attention is drawn away from the true guilty party.

[Barbatos]

Man I love red herrings. More innocent wolf deaths plz ~ !

[PanSola]

More innocent wolf deaths plz ~ !

Said like a true bunny. Maybe I should *not* vote for Ronnie next week...

[Alpha-Mad]

Man I love red herrings. More innocent wolf deaths plz ~ !

Said like a true bunny. Maybe I should *not* vote for Ronnie next week...

Hey now! It's one thing to kill innocent wolves, but don't go killing people who aren't even playing.

[Euphony]

Ronnie's playing, Alpha! And I thought we voted for her! C'mon guys WTF! xD

This is starting to give me the suspicion that some people are not actually voting for the people that they accuse publicly...

[PanSola]

Ronnie's playing, Alpha! And I thought we voted for her! C'mon guys WTF! xD
I did vote for Ronnie. But I think teh ppl actually posting in this thread formed a minority relative to the lurkers o_O"

Going through the thread, it seems only 4 wolves (including me) said we are voting Ronnie, out of a possible 11 votes.

[rutix]

Uhu. I voted for Ronnie too :). So i dont know who voted for alpha >.>

[Ronove]

;_; You guys are so mean.

[Euphony]

We're not mean, we're just playing the game. xD

[Ronove]

you're mean playing the game! XD

[PanSola]

;_; You guys are so mean.

Wolves ARE mean.

Bunnies complain about others being mean.

[Ronove]

Ooh, I never thought of it that way. The wolves do have to be mean, don't they? *kicks someone in the shins*

[PanSola]

Ooh, I never thought of it that way. The wolves do have to be mean, don't they? *kicks someone in the shins*
too late, bun. We've seen your true colors d-:

[Ronove]

;_; I am not a bunny.

[decinoob]

...or are you? :O

[GubiD]

Ok, so I want to get your guys thoughts on this. After re-reading tana's post I noticed a couple things.

She mentions Deaf and Deafening in 2 sentences. Coincidence?

As one, the wolves let out an echoing howl of shame.
Does this mean that one wolf had voted this way and was ashamed of their vote? This would mean to me that we have to all be on the same page for voting since it seems there is more than 1 bunny. That would be the only way Alpha would have been nixed being that there were at least 2 votes for ronnie that people have claimed.

I personally voted for Neko, because he has always been known as the demon and they are what creeps at night.

[PanSola]

...because he has always been known as the demon and they are what creeps at night.

Personally I am unfamiliar with the conception that demons creep at night. But then, my conception of demons stem mostly from Japanese RPG games as opposed to proper Western mythology.

I'm currently still planning to vote based on the poison clue.

[Alisa_Tana]

FYI, the votes were pretty well split down the middle. Only 3 players voted for other folk besides Alpha and Ronnie. Also, I've said it before, Clues have been found but not what they're pointing to... so rethink the clues that you think you have. I'm trying to be impartial, but at the same time it's a little hard when everyone's being narrow minded, making me think that I shouldn't even bother including clues.

Anyway....



While Hunters are out to play, the gatherers will slay. In the wake of Alpha's death, another wolf has fallen prey to the charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

Rutix has joined the fallen.


(I kept this one short given that out of story guidance in the rest of the post)

[rutix]

FYI, the votes were pretty well split down the middle. Only 3 players voted for other folk besides Alpha and Ronnie. Also, I've said it before, Clues have been found but not what they're pointing to... so rethink the clues that you think you have. I'm trying to be impartial, but at the same time it's a little hard when everyone's being narrow minded, making me think that I shouldn't even bother including clues.

Anyway....



While Hunters are out to play, the gatherers will slay. In the wake of Alpha's death, another wolf has fallen prey to the charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

Rutix has joined the fallen.


(I kept this one short given that out of story guidance in the rest of the post)
I hate you Ronnie :(. How could you!

[Lene]

Here is what I have:

1st Clue: rhythm- eaten and devoured/Shuddered and shivered/arguing and bickering/hunted and stalked/Warm and cozy/slumbering and sleeping/fat and lazy/Munching and crunching/abated and full/stirring and creeping/morning rises and dawns/astounded and flabbergasted/etc.

2nd Clue: rhyme- While Hunters are out to play, the gatherers will slay. In the wake of Alpha's death, another wolf has fallen prey to the charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

With these clues this can only point to one thing...Euphony.
pleasing or sweet sound; especially : the acoustic effect produced by words so formed or combined as to please the ear

case closed, end of story.

And I will admit that I voted for Euphony the first time. I'm on to you.

[Ronove]

:( I didn't do it! Read what Tana wrote: you found a clue, but not what it points to. Therefore, even if poison is a clue, she said that it doesn't point to me.

"Clues have been found but not what they're pointing to..."

And that's a very good argument Lene. You can also tack on my terrible argument a few posts back. It may have been just a coincidence there though.

[Euphony]

Read what Tana wrote: you found a clue, but not what it points to. Therefore, even if poison is a clue, she said that it doesn't point to me.

The same thing can be said for me as well, then. Even if the ___ and ___ pattern is a clue, Ronnie has already used it to point towards me, and in the time after that accusation was made, Tana has told us multiple times that we're on the wrong track with the clues.

[Ronove]

Yeah, which is why I think my argument is weak. But Lene's argument has better hold than mine and that was made after what Tana said.

[NekoThePyro]

he has always been known as the demon and they are what creeps at night.

First of all: I still don't get this. Demon?

Second of all: HE?

Ahem. Going on. Lene has a very good argument going on here. And with the fact that it's been told "we're on the wrong path" may be a lie in itself. Anything can go any which way, so we have to think carefully~

[PanSola]

Also, I've said it before, Clues have been found but not what they're pointing to...

but how about *who* they are pointing to?

For example, both Euphony and I independently latched on to the "poison" clue. The what of the poison clue pointing to is different between us:
* I was recalling an incident where Ronnie was involved with a poisoned pillow
* Euphone was recalling Barbatos making jokes about poisoned Ronnie cookies

So what my "poison clue" and what Euphony's "poison clue" point to are different things, but they both happen to lead to Ronnie. Poison could still be a clue and the "what" that Euphony and I associated with it could be both wrong, and no telling who it points to (which might still be Ronnie anyways?)

Anyways, another wolf has been killed by the bunnies, this time not explicitly using poison ("charms and wiles" can still involve poison). I'm going to make the assumption that Tana's new post has a second independent clue pointing to potentially a different bunny (or could be the same).

[Alisa_Tana]

Okay, I'm just going to say this, cause you're bugging me. I've tried to be subtle about it, but apparently that hasn't worked.



Poison is NOT a clue.



Also, As a reminder, Please vote by Wednesday.

[Euphony]

Hey but that's the fun of Doubt, you have to let us be stupid and go on all different kinds of tracks or we're gonna end up getting all the answers from you. :P

[Alisa_Tana]

Oh, I know. There are plenty of other things you guys are being entertaining on. Its just that the poison fixation is rubbing me the wrong way. I do put thought into the clues that I do - making sure that they're not overly obvious, and not to difficult. so it's a little insulting when something so obvious is obsessed over.
There are some good discussions going on tho, and I'm confident in the wolves being able to figure out the clues. If not, I need to seriously reconsider things.

[PanSola]

Its just that the poison fixation is rubbing me the wrong way

Sorry... T_T

[PanSola]

Reviewing the initial set of "clue candidates" we had gathered:

* poison <- officially declared not a clue
* something's stirring and creeping in the night <- approximately as obvious as "poison"
* The pack alpha has been killed <- approximately as obvious as "poison"
* Abundant use of "_____ and ______" (phrase structure)

That leaves us with one candidate clue left that is subtle at the time Tana mentioned somebody found the clue (but not what the clue means).

Though I could be wrong in my assessment of the relative obviousness of the clue candidates.

There is also the "rhyme" clue, but it didn't show up in this thread until recently, and I don't know if anyone talked about that clue in chat previously.

Did I miss any clue candidates that were brought up on or prior to Wednesday?

[Lene]

Why are we fixating on last week's clue and not trying to use both clues to see if they are pointing to one person...or persons. Did Tana ever say that we were looking for one bunny? I have a feeling the something and something is hinting at two bunnies.

But I still think one of them is Euphony and the other, well I do have a suspect (*coughpansolacough*) but I'm willing to see if my first conclusion is right.

[Ronove]

Maybe the x and x phrases point to how many bunnies there are? Since there are a lot of them, it could be pointing at a pair of things. Pansola, I think the rhyme clue is safe from what Tana was talking about because it occurred after she spoke up about the clues.

[PanSola]

Why are we fixating on last week's clue and not trying to use both clues to see if they are pointing to one person...or persons. Did Tana ever say that we were looking for one bunny? I have a feeling the something and something is hinting at two bunnies.

But I still think one of them is Euphony and the other, well I do have a suspect (*coughpansolacough*) but I'm willing to see if my first conclusion is right.

I was merely trying to identify/narrow-down *what* was the clue from last week, since we got a clear answer that the clue(s) from the first post is/are definitely subtle and not obvious.

We can't use a clue when we don't even know what it is. And currently we don't know for sure what the second clue is anyways. I was taking on the low-hanging fruit.

I'm assuming multiple bunnies, and would not be surprised if there are more than two.

Btw, does the accuracy of your suspicion on Euphony affect the accuracy of your suspicion on me? Just curious d-:

[Euphony]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to stir up bad feelings here, but people really need to stop taking this game so personally. Why be so insulted if we're pointing fingers at you? Anyone can be a suspect! Why be so insulted if we're speculating on something obvious? Anything can be a clue! That's the whole point of the game. Sheesh maneesh, folks~

And I too am curious as to why me possibly being a bunny points to PanSola as well. None of the clues have really jumped out at me as pointing to him, but I could be missing something. =O

Also there are quite a few players staying out of the discussion! Better not stay quiet too long, it makes you look suspicious~

[Lene]

Oh I just think PanSola is trying too hard to deflect our attention elsewhere...so like it's merely a suspicion and not an outright accusation. But I definitely think you're a bunny Euphony.

[Euphony]

Hmm that's true...but I think the same could be said for you as well. I admit that the evidence you have against me is really good, but you're also trying very hard to get me killed. PanSola and I do seem to be on the same track, but then again so do you and Ronnie. It's possible that you two are protecting each other just as much as Pan and I. *strokes moustache*

[Alpha-Mad]

Lol... Ur all bunnies

[Barbatos]

There's 9 bunnies and 3 wolves, and the next round will be an epic massacre~

[PanSola]

Oh I just think PanSola is trying too hard to deflect our attention elsewhere...

That would make sense if somehow I saw an association with me in the new clue (which I haven't... or so I claim!)

[Alpha-Mad]

That would make sense if somehow I saw an association with me in the new clue (which I haven't... or so I claim!)
Guilty :kindahappy:

[Euphony]

Hey Alpha-Ghost, zip your poltergeist lips. :kindahappy:

[Alpha-Mad]

Hey Alpha-Ghost, zip your poltergeist lips. :kindahappy:
Guilty :kindahappy:

BTW: I have no idea who the bunnies or wolves are so if you vote off this hilarious post or others like it...you're an idiot...that is all.

[PanSola]

so anyone wants to rally votes against anyone in particular?

So far we have Lene's analysis on the new clues pointing to Euphony. No one has made any additional progress on the original clue.

[Ronove]

Well I did say that maybe the original clue was about how MANY bunnies there are instead of a certain person. It's always good to get a number so we know how many we have to worry about.

[PanSola]

Well I did say that maybe the original clue was about how MANY bunnies there are instead of a certain person. It's always good to get a number so we know how many we have to worry about.

I figure we just keep vote and kill until the game master tells us we are done...

[Ronove]

XD Yeah but then that would cause needless killing of wolves! What if the game master never tells us? That would really suck.

[PanSola]

XD Yeah but then that would cause needless killing of wolves! What if the game master never tells us? That would really suck.

Well, after we kill the last bunny, there won't be any deaths on Wednesday, so we'd know by Friday the latest. No extra unnecessary killings.

[Ronove]

Oh, that's true. Unless the game master does something weird. O.o

[PanSola]

Ok, let's see if discussion on "anti-clues" can stir up ideas.

Anti-clue 1: "Poison" is not a clue.
Anti-clue 2: "the lack of capitals on the letter "s" isn't a clue"

These are things Tana went out of her way to explicitly declare as not-clues. Is there anything we can glimpse from these as to what stuff clues might look like?

[Alpha-Mad]

Ok, let's see if discussion on "anti-clues" can stir up ideas.

Anti-clue 1: "Poison" is not a clue.
Anti-clue 2: "the lack of capitals on the letter "s" isn't a clue"

These are things Tana went out of her way to explicitly declare as not-clues. Is there anything we can glimpse from these as to what stuff clues might look like?

You forgot to mention the biggest anti-clue...the alpha clue :twitch:

[Euphony]

You forgot to mention the biggest anti-clue...the alpha clue :twitch:
*pats Alpha on the head* Sorry buddy, I tried to point it out as being too obvious.

[PanSola]

You forgot to mention the biggest anti-clue...the alpha clue :twitch:

Hmm I was focusing on things Tana explicitly stated, as opposed to confirmed red herrings in general...

[FzGhouL]

I am at a loss. No idea who to vote for.

[Alisa_Tana]

seriously, my s key has been fried for years and I often don't feel like copying a capital s just for typing.


Anyway, You've all got a little over 24 hours to vote, so you'd best start figuring it out.

[Alisa_Tana]

10 Hours left to vote. still waiting for a handful.

[PanSola]

I'm gonna be placing my votes on one of the ppl who hasn't spoken up yet.

Combining that criteria with the musical train of thought that Lene brought up, my vote goes to....



shigi!!!

[Alisa_Tana]

As dawn broke, light poured into the den, splitting apart into pieces. The light danced and played on Euphony's paws, distracting him from the approaching pack. Before he could turn, they were upon him, wrenching his flesh.
Within him, was only his poor heart - no bunny...
The wolves stared, confused, they'd been so sure they were on the right path.



sorry Euphony, you've been torn apart by your fellow wolves.

[supershigi]

I'm gonna be placing my votes on one of the ppl who hasn't spoken up yet.

Combining that criteria with the musical train of thought that Lene brought up, my vote goes to....



shigi!!!
I'm not a bunny. And I have a pretty decent defense concerning the music-thing: In the last Doubt-game, I was a wolf and all the clues that pointed to me were music-related; so I'm pretty sure that Tana's not going to reuse the same clue... she likes to be inventive.

[PanSola]

I'm not a bunny. And I have a pretty decent defense concerning the music-thing: In the last Doubt-game, I was a wolf and all the clues that pointed to me were music-related; so I'm pretty sure that Tana's not going to reuse the same clue... she likes to be inventive.

Maybe Tana is playing a subtle game, and that's exactly how she WANTS us to rule you out from the list of suspects!

[Ronove]

Tana, did you mean to do "pour" heart? Or is it supposed to be "poor" heart?

Okay, with what the last part said, that the wolves were sure they were on the right path, I think we should follow this clue. Who in this game has something related to musical terms? Both Lene and supershigi composed music. Is there any others?

;_; And sorry Euphony! *gives your ghost a cupcake*

[Alisa_Tana]

@ronnie: oh yeah, corrected that. I was rather tired last night.

[Lene]

I think the thing to take away from that clue was the actual light: "light poured into the den, splitting apart into pieces"

only way that can happen is if there's a prism or some sort of mirror right?

[Euphony]

Told you so~!

*haunts everyone*

[GubiD]

Well, of the first clues the only one we haven't followed to its end yet is the creeping in the night. On my deduction previously provided, that would peg Neko or FzGhoul(which we also haven't heard anything from). I would lean towards ghoul, but only because of name.

Unless of course there was another clue in the first thing that I missed. I am honestly not sure what the light would signify. Im so lost! :'(

Sorry Euph! Hope you see your non-ghoulish self again soon.

[NekoThePyro]

I honestly seriously don't understand what you meant by calling me a demon in previous clues. Like, seriously .I don't get it. XD And I'm curious!

The light thing seems a bit suspicious, but it may be acting just like the poison clue in the first time around. Errgh. I'm not sure.

And yeah, sorry Euphony! Have fun in the afterlife!

[PanSola]

Well, of the first clues the only one we haven't followed to its end yet is the creeping in the night.

Remember Tana stated that somebody found the clue but not what it points to? The "______ and ______" clue originally pointed to evidence that implicated Euphony. What if it is supposed to point to something else (and someone else) instead?

I personally find the "creeping in the night" on the same obviousness level as "poison", so I would personally rule that one out and not act/vote based on it.

[GubiD]

We also cant dismiss every clue we have just because we think it is too obvious. What else do we have to go on right now? Nothing except light.. which I cannot think of anything it would tie to.

[supershigi]

@Pansola: I really don't think that Tana meant to use a musical clue to point to me. 1.) I'm fairly certain she's the type of person who wouldn't reuse clues, and 2.) If she were trying to use reverse psychology, she probably would have chosen something that would have been more apparent to everyone (no one really picked up on the musical clue in the previous game).

But if I get killed off, the rest of the wolves should use this to their advantage: Remember who was accusing me (Pansola) or subtley agreeing with his suggestions (Ronnie). Of course, he could just be throwing out things to examine, but regardless it's something to keep in mind if I get killed :)

[supershigi]

Hm... on 2nd thought, maybe you guys should kill me. I know I'm a wolf, and if you kill me you'll find out that this is true. At that point, you can possibly go after Pansola because he's kind of been focusing on me (but now that I've said that, he might stop accusing me, hehe) :P

[PanSola]

But in the darkness, some giggled.


Random grasping of straws. Anyone particularly known for giggling?

[Ronove]

I'm agreeing with Lene--I dunno about Pansola.

Regardless, he's (and even GubiD) is not listening to me about what I think the first clue is. For some reason, I don't think it points to a person, mainly because we can't seem to really peg anyone with any "clues" that are in there. There might be something we're missing in the second (the musical one) clue, but I'm not sure what. :\

What are your thoughts on the clues, Shigi?

[Alisa_Tana]

Fear not my wolfy and bunny friends... I will post a death as soon as I wake up. too tired to formulate a good clue now.

[Ronove]

All right, I'm going to try talking about the clues and if I get ignored again, that will make me sad. Clues are the only thing we really have and we should look at them more instead of going on who's being quiet or whatever else we might be voting on.

Euphony's death said "The wolves stared, confused, they'd been so sure they were on the right path."

Now, I wonder, why would Tana mention this at all if we weren't on the right path concerning something? Which is why I think Lene was onto something with her musical idea. Now, like I said before in another post and was quickly ignored, we have 2 musical people: Lene and Shigi. But, Shigi does bring up a good point--why would Tana pick the same person to be a bad person who was a bad person in my game? Good thought, but then there's always the thought "well, what if that's what she wants us to think?" ... Another good thought.

Then we can move to Lene--she also composed music and she does talk a lot about music (and can give great suggestions!), but since she brought our eyes to the clues, how can she be a bunny? Or, is that what she wants us to think?

Either person fits, but at the same time, I think we are missing something and should dissect the clue just a bit more before we can peg either of the two musical peeps. Does anyone else know how the musicalness can fit to any one else? I don't think this clue should be ignored.

[Alisa_Tana]

In this den of wolves, the bunny plot is coming along. Gathering all the victims To be exterminated by the inquisition. Yet another victim fallen, supershigi has been killed. Poor poor shigi, she doesn't like zombies, but now she is one.

[Ronove]

:( A sunflower zombie?

I could go out on a limb and say "she doesn't like zombies" is a reference to her song, which plays into the other clue. But I think that's going out too far on a limb. I'm really not sure. :\

[Barbatos]

http://www.spongen.com/picture.php?albumid=18&pictureid=873

[GubiD]

Shigi dead? :(

I dunno about these clues, maybe I am just too thick, but I dont understand them. :'(

Ronnie, which clue of yours did I simply dismiss? I dont recall you mentioning anything. Perhaps I missed it.

[Ronove]

The first clue I mentioned that the X and X could mean how many bunnies there are. I don't think you "simply dismissed it" I think it was just lost. XD

[PanSola]

The first clue I mentioned that the X and X could mean how many bunnies there are. I don't think you "simply dismissed it" I think it was just lost. XD

I raised the counter-point of questioning the value of knowing how many bunnies there are. Believing it really has very little value, I then dismissed it out of my mind.

http://spongen.com/showpost.php?p=30302&postcount=94
http://spongen.com/showpost.php?p=30304&postcount=96

[Ronove]

Ooh, okay. I get ya then.

[PanSola]

Let's examine possible bunny motivation for killing shigi -

Had they not killed shigi, I would've tried to get shigi voted on. Assuming shigi is actually NOT a bunny, and I am successful at rallying votes, then we would've killed shigi as an innocent wolf. Then, assuming the rest of the wolves pay heed to shigi's warning when I accused her, then the rest of the wolves would target me and kill me the week later.

By proactively killing shigi, the bunnies seek to save m... darn those devious bunnies o_O"""

[PanSola]

In this den of wolves, the bunny plot is coming along. Gathering all the victims To be exterminated by the inquisition. Yet another victim fallen, supershigi has been killed. Poor poor shigi, she doesn't like zombies, but now she is one.


Hmm, I spot a random misplaced capital T in a post from somebody who was worried that a lack of capitalization on s might be mistaken as a clue...

[Lene]

Since we're on the topic of going back w/ old clues, if people are going w/ the creeping in the night = demon thing, that does point at Ronnie. She has Great Earl of Hell under her name and everything. Then there is light splitting apart into pieces, which could mean stars.

I dunno, throwing stuff out there.

[PanSola]

Here is another interpretation on the zombification of shigi:

Maybe shigi WAS a bunny, and the clue did point to her. The bunnies decided to kill shigi off to confuse us and keep us on a clue that had already been resolved (and to implicate me)

[Ronove]

@_@ That sounds really convoluted though. Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occom%27s_razor) anyone?

[PanSola]

@_@ That sounds really convoluted though. Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occom%27s_razor) anyone?
my theory in post#133 is already mmuch much simpler than the analysis in #130

[Alpha-Mad]

I think that since shigi is a zombie, she should be able to talk. She's technically not a ghost after all.

[Barbatos]

She's too busy munching on sunflowers to talk~

[Alpha-Mad]

She's too busy munching on sunflowers to talk~

The photo you posted clearly is not the zombie version. She looks quite alive chewing that delicious looking flower.

[Barbatos]

The photo you posted clearly is not the zombie version. She looks quite alive chewing that delicious looking flower.

Well even as a zombie shigi looks awesome~

[PanSola]

ok I'm gonna vote for Juuni this week for lack of participation.

inaction favors the bunnies.

[supershigi]

ok I'm gonna vote for Juuni this week for lack of participation.

inaction favors the bunnies.
Haha, you know what else favors the bunnies? Wasting your vote and an entire turn to kill JuuNi when you think he's innocent, instead of trying to go after someone you suspect is a bunny :P

[Alisa_Tana]

Juuni's been voting, fyi. In fact, only one player has missed a vote, and so far it was only once.

That being said, no call for being lazy now. Be sure to get your votes in to me by midnight tomorrow. That especially goes for the player who missed a vote (you know who you are) - miss another one and I might be forced to replace you.

[PanSola]

Haha, you know what else favors the bunnies? Wasting your vote and an entire turn to kill JuuNi when you think he's innocent, instead of trying to go after someone you suspect is a bunny :P

well I don't think JuuNi is innocent, and I currently have no strong suspicions.

by "inaction" I mean a lack of participation in the discussion to figure out who the bunnies are. the wolves out to all be trying to throw ideas around, bouncing off each other, to come up with more educated guesses on who the bunnies are.

[GubiD]

Hmmm... I have to kinda agree with lene on this. Ronnie did write a short story about various monsters that lurk in the shadows and held people prisoner + the "earl of hell" thing. At least in that respect would it match up with the 'lurking in the night' clue (if it is). Outside of that I could only guess Pansola, but only because of constant deflection/redirection.

[JuuNi]

PanSola I think you're doing a great job of leading people in circles, but just so you know, not everyone I voted died. For instance, you're still alive.

[PanSola]

i might be dead already and just don't know about it yet T_T

edit: oops, I'm one day off.

[PanSola]

anyways, besides just pointing back at the wolf who accused you, let's try throw more ideas around to help the pack find those despicable bunnies!

[Alisa_Tana]

8 hours left to go, and still missing 3 votes.

[Alisa_Tana]

Naughty, naughty players. Two missing votes, means no new clue for you! With the dwindling number of players, you really can't afford to have anyone be inactive.
One clue has been found for sure, and some of the others are traveling in the right direction, but time is running out.

The wolves have chose to rip Pansola apart today, but sadly, they find inside just regular wolf bits.


FzGhoul has not voted two votes in a row. Fz, you need to tell me that you still want to play before saturday, or I'll replace you with a player that will be active.

[PanSola]

ooooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOooooooooo ooooOooo

[supershigi]

As a ghost I can't offer new information (and I actually haven't sought out or been given any out-of-game information), but I can copy and paste Tana's latest entry juxtaposed with GubiD's most recent post for those who missed it:

One clue has been found for sure

Ronnie did write a short story about various monsters that lurk in the shadows and held people prisoner + the "earl of hell" thing. At least in that respect would it match up with the 'lurking in the night' clue (if it is).

[Ronove]

Uh, Shigi, you're doing what you complained about in the last game. You don't like ghosts trying to sway the votes, and look what you're doing. I can't deny that clue at all, of course. But this does kinda paint you as a bad ghost because it's up to the players to dig for themselves, not for you to bring up and "remind" them.

But yeah, that clue definitely seems to point to me, if it is a clue. Remember, red herrings, taking things out of context. I can't say for sure which it is of course. And I still don't think we should allow that music clue that Lene brought up go away. Tana said around then as well we found the clue, just not how to use it right.

[supershigi]

1.) My post is in no way breaking any rules, and I'm clearly not contributing any new information. I think this is pretty obvious. The thing I complained about in previous games was ghosts bringing new information (or out-of-game information) to the table. All I did was copy and paste something that was was already brought up multiple times, and something the GM said on the same page.
2.) In previous games, your responses post-death (both in the thread and in irc) contributed far more information and logical analysis than my recent post, so I suggest you at least use that as a rubric.

[Barbatos]

:boogie:

[Ronove]

Yes, but this is a new game, Shigi--a WAY new game. I don't like how I acted in the other games, but I'm not going to go back and act that way when I know there are consequences in this game for acting that way. Sorry. And this is Tana's game, where she WILL change everything up if ghosts talk too much. And you are bringing new information in a way. You are taking two things and connecting them when they weren't connected to begin with. That's NEW information or a new way to look at the information which you are positing.

[supershigi]

You can't tell me that's new information; Tana's post was literally a couple posts directly proceeding GubiD's post. New information is something like, "Hey, while I was a ghost, someone told me who the two remaining mafia are and now I'm going to tell you," or... "So the other day I was talking on irc with this other ghost and we figured out this clue that no one figured out before"...

New information could also be pointing out a clue that was obtained several pages prior that no one noticed. I'm pretty certain this clue has been pointed out here and discussed elsewhere a number of times. I'm not offering new information. The point is, I have no proof who any of the bunnies are in this game. I have no out-of-game information. And I'm offering no new clues, insight, or hear-say from other people. I didn't even dig something up that was burried in the thread. This is not new information in any way.

[Ronove]

I was saying it was LIKE new information. You can take any post and juxtapose them to Tana's post. It could be Gubi's, it could be someone else's post. There are many theories thrown around in this game that Tana could be referring to. Just because she happened to post it right after GubiD doesn't say anything but that she posted it then. By you singling out GubiD's post instead of some other theory is giving favoritism and people may listen to you because they know you were a wolf. It's a way to bring "new" information--not really new, just a new way to look at old information and putting it together in such a way people may not have looked at before. Which is in a way, new. It's not new like how you're saying, but it is another way of a ghost controlling the outcome of a game.

[supershigi]

At this point, my post is no longer within the context of the game, it's defending my character. So if this continues further, I'll take it outside of the thread:

Again, this logic doesn't really hold up: You are correct in saying that it would be unfair if I took any post and juxtaposed it with Tana's post. It would also be unfair if I was given out of game information and I started using it to do things like post exclamation marks after the guilty-person posted in order to share my out-of-game information with everyone else. But Tana's post came almost directly after the analysis about that clue... it's not like I'm pulling random clues out of the dark, and it's certainly not as though I'm bringing something "new" to the table. The analysis and connection has already been drawn here and elsewhere... otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.

The other thing to keep in mind: the ghost-rule was essentially created because when folks play mafia, the ghosts are still sitting in the circle with everyone else and can see who "wakes up" at night. Basically, right after they die, they know all of the out-of-game information. So during discussion, it's very easy for them to do things like clear their throats whenever the guilty people talk... or shout out who the guilty party is, etc. It's also in place so that ghosts aren't sitting there sifting through clues about who supported who and all of that. The problem I had with ghosts in the past was exactly that: people would obtain out of game information, or take it upon themselves to solve clues and share it with everyone. This was disruptive for very obvious reasons. It broke the game. Ghosts have access to out-of-game information... bringing this into the game destroys it. I made it very clear in my post that I had no out-of-game information. I just wanted to copy and paste something that was going to get buried because I know quite a few people aren't able to regularly check this thread (and Tana's post was the last one on the page... at least in the 10 post layout). The analysis and connection was already drawn. I brought nothing new to the table.

If you want to discuss this with me further to prevent derailing the thread (at this point I'm basically defending my character which isn't in the context of the game), let's take it to PM.

[Euphony]

Erm...how about ghosts just don't post in the thread period, so we won't have any problems like this. I know it really sucks that we're out of the game, but we knew going into the game that if we die, we zip it. Let's not start any fights over it, please.

[supershigi]

I think the rule in this particular game is: "don't get too involved" and the details are usually: "don't bring new information/analysis/out-of-game information." And I certainly don't feel that my initial post up there violated either of those things, and I stand by that. But I think you're right that the only way to prevent people from getting upset would be a brightline as definitive as "no talking period." (although unfortunately it's hard to enforce since there are people who violate rules via PM and irc and all that)

I actually don't mind at all not being in the game (I only posted what I did because I thought that stuff would get buried from folks who only have a few seconds to check the thread)... the part that bothers me is when my character is under attack. I'm very familiar with things that ruin games; I've GMed Doubt and irl-Mafia games before and I hate when ghosts ruin the game... it ruins it for everyone involved. So given that I made sure not to do any of those things (I barely posted anything, and it certainly wasn't new or out-of-game info or analysis... and I didn't use ghost-obtained information to swing the game, which is the real point of having ghosts not talk), it really bothers me to be accused of essentially cheating.

EDIT: Just in case, here is the rule taken from Tana's original post:

Ghosts:
You're dead - please keep your involvement to a minimum. If I catch wind of the ghosts being too involved, I will change up roles or cancel the game.

My initial post back there was bumping the last two major things from the previous page so they wouldn't get buried. I contributed no new information. The information was not collected by me, the clue wasn't solved by me, and the connection was already made by living players elsewhere. I have no out-of-game information; no one leaked to me who the bunnies were as a result of being a ghost or otherwise... so I'm not using out-of-game information or new information or analysis to sway the game. Regardless of how Tana decides to refine her rule (if she does), I am not in violation of the original rule, nor did my post break the game in any way.

[PanSola]

oOOOooOooooooOoOooooooOoOOOOoO

[Euphony]

Yeah, I took Tana's rule to mean no ghost-talking allowed, but now that I re-read it I suppose people could interpret it several different ways. ;_;

[Barbatos]

Needs more fighting~

[Alpha-Mad]

Needs more fighting~

Agreed. More fights plz.

Also...I'd like to start a fight with Euph. You are a bunny kissing uber bunny. Booyah

[NekoThePyro]

:x How about no to the fights? 'Tis just a game. ;A;

[PanSola]

oOoooooOOoOOOOOOoOOoooooOO

[Alisa_Tana]

I'm going to evaluate ghost involvement. But for now, I'm going to say:


Ronnie did write a short story about various monsters that lurk in the shadows and held people prisoner + the "earl of hell" thing. At least in that respect would it match up with the 'lurking in the night' clue (if it is).

Is not the discovered clue.

[Ronove]

I still think it's the music clue we've been ignoring. Or not figuring out fully. I think it's one of the theories we've gotten to that Tana hasn't outright said "no" to. What are we missing?

Quoting it because it's been a while:
Here is what I have:

1st Clue: rhythm- eaten and devoured/Shuddered and shivered/arguing and bickering/hunted and stalked/Warm and cozy/slumbering and sleeping/fat and lazy/Munching and crunching/abated and full/stirring and creeping/morning rises and dawns/astounded and flabbergasted/etc.

2nd Clue: rhyme- While Hunters are out to play, the gatherers will slay. In the wake of Alpha's death, another wolf has fallen prey to the charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

Now, was there anything else we could look at in that clue besides what Lene pointed out?

[NekoThePyro]

charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

That's the only thing that I saw at first glace. Probably insignificant, but hey. Perhaps a bunny (or all the bunnies, since it's referring to all of bunny-kind) is incredibly charming.

Ha-rumph. I don't know~

[Ronove]

Charming is incredibly subjective though. That's really hard to pin on someone. I could find you charming, but the next person might not. :\

[NekoThePyro]

'Tis true, 'tis true~

Well, no more ideas from this Neko, oh jeez. D:

[PanSola]

ooOOOOooOOOooooooooOOoOOOOOOooOOoooooooooooOo

ooOoOOOOoOOo
OOoooOo
OOOOoOooOOOOoooooOOooOOOOOOOoo

OOoOOoooooOOOOOoOOoOoOOOooOooooooooooOooOOOO


OOoOOOoooOOooo

[Alisa_Tana]

Okay, reviewing things I'm going to amend my rule about ghosts. If you are a ghost, do not PM people who are still playing. Also refrain from quoting prior posts and IRC conversations. Remember, you are a spectator now.

since I didn't clarify earlier what I meant by "minimal involvement" I won't swap player roles. But consider this the formal advisory. Also remember, this is just a game and should be enjoyed.

For those of you whom are still playing, I have already stated that the conjecture that
Ronnie did write a short story about various monsters that lurk in the shadows and held people prisoner + the "earl of hell" thing. At least in that respect would it match up with the 'lurking in the night' clue (if it is)
Is not a clue.

No ghost has been told who the bunnies are, and you should all make your own decisions based on the information I've given you in this thread - not based on what ghosts may have whispered to you.

[PanSola]

ooOOOoOooooOoOooooOOOoooOo


OOoOOooo

[Reives]

Watch out, he's oOoOoing in Morse code!

[supershigi]

Just for the record, as far as I know ghosts haven't "whipsered" information to people about who to vote for. I discussed things while I was still alive, but I haven't added any new perspective at all (and as far as I know, I don't think anything has really changed)... the only things that got said after death were "please remember to vote" and asking why people voted a certain way. But I didn't respond to those things or give commentary or opinion on anything. And I know on my part I didn't tell anyone to vote a certain way once I was dead. But now that the rules have been amended to include PMs, I won't remind people to vote anymore either.

[Barbatos]

*PMs everyone*

[supershigi]

Hahaha :P

[PanSola]

OoO

[Alisa_Tana]

sorry about the delay, unexpected house guests made it hard to update at midnight.



standing alone away from the pack, one wolf forgot to vote. In the morning, FzGhoul was found dead. The remaining wolves eyed the group warily, alone they would surely fall, and time was running out. Together the wolves have to stand to bring their salvation.

[PanSola]

ooooOoooOooooooOOOOOooOo

[Alpha-Mad]

ooooOoooOooooooOOOOOooOo
Oh hush...if I were alive, I would have voted for you too. You seemed quite guilty in my book. Good thing I didn't gamble on that one and throw money down XD

[GubiD]

So no we are down pansola and fz. And Tana says my clue is gibberish!

I am really starting to draw blanks here. I will need to re-read the entire thread again to come up with some new suspicions since all my others have turned out to be wolfs. These clues have been very covert.

Did I miss this 'music clue'? What is it?

As a note we are dwindling in numbers. Below is all that is left
Decinoob
me (GubiD)
Juuni
Lene
Neko
Ronnie


The clues must point to one of the remaining. We must get them right as we have no choice but to otherwise fail.

[decinoob]

Countless bunnies have fallen, eaten and devoured. Shuddered and shivered in the warrens, arguing and bickering while one by one the wolves have hunted and stalked.

Warm and cozy, slumbering and sleeping in their dens, the wolves have grown fat and lazy. Munching and crunching poor and defenseless bunnies to their fill, they lay abated and full.

But something's stirring and creeping in the night.

As morning rises and dawns, the wolves are astounded and flabbergasted. The pack alpha and leader, DerVVulfman has been poisoned and killed. Without their leader, the wolves are disordered and confused.

Who could have done it? Wolves don't kill by poison, they shred and tear - surely it was not a wolf that committed this crime, was it?

One suggests "Maybe it was something he ate?"
One answers "He only ate bunnies...."

So far dawn has appeared twice. (look below). This might mean something? Is anyone related to dawn in any way? Name, project, avatar, signature?
Warmth is something produced by flames, is it not?


---

silently the wolves gathered. They'd followed the clues - or at least what sounded like clues - to their conclusion. One whimpered quietly, but the pleas feel on deaf ears. The Pack leapt, tore, and pulled the victim apart, their snarls deafening.

But inside the body of the wolf, where they expected to find a bunny, they only found regular wolf bits. As one, the wolves let out an echoing howl of shame.

Alpha-Mad was not a bunny in disguise, but he was ripped apart all the same.

some wept, some whimpered, some snarled, and some growled. But in the darkness, some giggled.
I got nothing for darkness, honestly :disappointed:.
---

While Hunters are out to play, the gatherers will slay. In the wake of Alpha's death, another wolf has fallen prey to the charms and wiles of the bunny-kind.

Rutix has joined the fallen.
Hunters, well... I got nothing either :disappointed:.
But who here seems charming?
---

As dawn broke, light poured into the den, splitting apart into pieces. The light danced and played on Euphony's paws, distracting him from the approaching pack. Before he could turn, they were upon him, wrenching his flesh.
Within him, was only his poor heart - no bunny...
The wolves stared, confused, they'd been so sure they were on the right path.
Dawn appeared again. Look up!
Actually I didn't find anyone that seems to be related to heart, other than Euphony. (What am I looking for again!?)
---

In this den of wolves, the bunny plot is coming along. Gathering all the victims To be exterminated by the inquisition. Yet another victim fallen, supershigi has been killed. Poor poor shigi, she doesn't like zombies, but now she is one.
Unfortunately I can't spot one here :disappointed:.
---

standing alone away from the pack, one wolf forgot to vote. In the morning, FzGhoul was found dead. The remaining wolves eyed the group warily, alone they would surely fall, and time was running out. Together the wolves have to stand to bring their salvation
I often see an hourglass around here. Isn't dawn related to time?

I just hope that helps somehow.

[Alisa_Tana]

I hope everyone had a good Labor Day weekend. As the end game draws near, I hope that you're all being critical and not being taken in by disguises.

Remember, you should vote before tomorrow is done!

[GubiD]

Did you guys notice this tag on the thread?
ske is the bunny's dad
Any thoughts on what it might mean? If anything. I hadn't noticed it before.

[Ronove]

Oh, Died's just being weird--or someone's being weird. I think it was Died. It was a joke when Skie used to play--we'd always say Skie was the wolf's dad.

[Barbatos]

Cause if you remember the original Doubt comic, the wolf's father was a big red herring~ ohohoho~

[Alisa_Tana]

Narrowly avoiding the fangs of the pack, time and again, Ronove could no longer stave off the accusing glares of the wolves.
As one, they lept and tore her apart. Inside, they found the bunny they were looking for, its luck run out.

The wolves rejoiced, feeding on the exposed rabbit.

But was that it? Just the one bunny having caused them so much trouble?

Congratulations, Wolves, you have successfully killed a bunny! But is there still a game afoot?

[PanSola]

oooOoooOOOOOoOOooooooOooo

[FzGhouL]

Whoops, sorry. I forgot to mention that I was gone for 10 days. :X
I'm dead! Looks like you guys made a little progress though, nj.

[GubiD]

Yay, finally got enough votes to bring one of them down! Cause I assume there must be at least 2.

[Ronove]

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/earlronove/ani-gant-claps.gif

You guys took forever! Sheesh!

[Euphony]

I KNEW IT. RAAAAAAGE.

And yeah, about freaking time, guys. xD

[Ronove]

I know! They were super slow. I thought it was VERY obvious.

[PanSola]

ooooOOooooOOOOOOooOoOOOOooooooooooo

[GubiD]

I think that thing that kept throwing us off was the fact that every clue we had was negated by what Tana said. Maybe I just dont know as much of what goes on in this forum as I thought I did. All the inside jokes etc that I dont take part in.

[Alisa_Tana]

I'll explain clues when everything is all done with.

[GubiD]

So now I guess we just wait until another bunny strikes. Unless the other clues point to another remaining bunny. Which I am sure they do in some way. So lets start discussing them so when they strike we wont be befuzzled on what has happened.

Can I vote that we storm the bunny village and kill every remaining one so that they are more angered and less likely to perform under stress?

[Alisa_Tana]

sorry for the delay. slept late.

I'll post again in a bit with a proper clue, and I'll give the wolves until Thursday if they need it to vote.
But the short of it is, GubiD has been killed today.

Enjoy.

[Ronove]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/DestLockWood/Smilies/85-1.gif

[GubiD]

No worries, i guess it was time for my number to be called.

[PanSola]

oooOooOooooooOOOOOoo

[Alisa_Tana]

With a bunny found, and five members of the pack remaining, the wolves celebrated. But their new joy was soon interrupted when GubiD was found dead. Was there a new bunny, or were the wolves being taken by some other force? Either way, a decision would have to be reached quickly, or their naivete would leave them as helpless as babes.

This is your last clue, and your last vote. You have until Thursday to figure this and the other clues out. Make this one count!

[Ronove]

:eek: The game's ending?

[PanSola]

OoO

[Lene]

Hmm...I think Ronnie was going solo in this one, judging by what I see are the clues.

[GubiD]

So is the game over? Did anyone vote on Wednesday?

[Alisa_Tana]

Very very amusing.... One wolf even flat out decided not to vote for anyone, and another completely failed to vote.

As such, the wolves have now forfeit their turn.

I have already given you clues, but the game is not yet over.

[PanSola]

OoO

[GubiD]

Wow pan, your input is so... revealing!

[Ronove]

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/earlronove/ani-gant-claps.gif

This is getting good!

[Alisa_Tana]

In the night I heard a bunny. NekoThePyro was killed.

Three Players left, and a bunny still among you. Vote before the end of Wednesday and you might save the pack.

[NekoThePyro]

:o Oh no, I died! Ah, well, I wasn't really of much help, was I? Hehehe.

[Barbatos]

I bet there's two bunnies left and the next round will be a total massacre~

[Euphony]

Last shot for the wolves today! Ahh I can't wait to see if they actually pull it off.

[Alisa_Tana]

Yup, This is it, Last Day. If you don't vote, the Bunnies will win by default. But the wolves do have a chance still, if they can find each other and vote in unison!
Or if all three players vote for each other (a three-way tie), then I might take sympathy and call it a draw.

[PanSola]

ooo

[Alisa_Tana]

With three still alive, the tension grew high. Whispering back and forth... one even refusing to believe that there was still a bunny amongst them. But finally, it was decided whom to tear apart.

Two lept upon JuuNi, ripping his belly open.

But before his insides could be examined for a hidden bunny, the last remaining wolf went blind with pain as her life was cut short.

In the spray of blood, only one player remained, the victorious bunny had managed to deceive the wolves until the end.



Congratulations DeciNoob!



Tomorrow I'll post an explanation of the clues.

[Ronove]

YES. I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT DECI.

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af243/earlronove/Smilies/iloveitmoreplz.png

[Euphony]

*BUZZ*

GAME OVER

[Lene]

Okay I'm just going out on a limb because I'm not sure of any of the clues at all.

But I think the bunny is Decinoob. Tana's last post said she 'heard' a bunny. So deci as in decibel? So yeah. Just asking you to vote the same way as well.

Juuni I told you!!!! blah I knew I just have just went w/ my gut.

[Alisa_Tana]

Clues have been highlighted.

I'll give you guys awhile to see if you can make sense out of them now.

[PanSola]

Not preciously related to the clues, and someone can say I'm using hindsight, but had I remained alive, the ppl high on my suspicious list would be (in order):

Ronnie - because Tana went out of her way to declare poison as NOT being a clue
Shigi - lack of participation in the discussion until accused, plus the "music" lead (music might not necessarily be an actual clue, but was a lead that we were discussing).
Deci - we had a "music" lead going on, but I was going to explore was it music specifically, or just "sound" in general? Deci makes me think of "decibels".

Yes, even though the bunnies killed Shigi, I continued to suspect her to be among the bunny-kind d-:

I also expected 3~4 bunnies total, which turns out to be way off

[Euphony]

Ronnie - because Tana went out of her way to declare poison as NOT being a clue
In my opinion, the debunking of the poison clue kind of derailed the course of the game. If it hadn't been debunked, more people would've sided with the two of us and Ronnie would've been gone much, much earlier. And that would've given the wolves a much better chance than they ended up having, possibly even allowing them to win the game. I thought there wouldn't be any interference like that, but I guess I was wrong. :O

[PanSola]

noticed bad wording in my previous post, but since Euphony already quoted it, I'll fix it via a new post as opposed to editing the old one.

I should've typed "went out of her way to inform us that poison is NOT a clue". The verb "declare" has some possible connotations that I did not mean to use. >_<"""

[JuuNi]

Haha, I got ripped apart by a bunny in a wolf costume <adds to resume> Totally drawing that later on btw.

Well, I knew it was suicide voting, but still, I voted for nearly all the wolves, I must have been confused :<

[Ronove]

Haha I think I made sense of the ones that pointed to me. Inquisition, I'm sure. In more ways than one I think too. My game (MV maybe?) and the way you guys were trying to Spanish inquisition me!

[Alisa_Tana]

Nope, the inquisition thing isn't a ronnie clue. ;p The capital T in the middle of that should tell you that it's either a song lyric or a poem.... the lines aren't in the same order of the song.

[PanSola]

Hmm, I spot a random misplaced capital T in a post from somebody who was worried that a lack of capitalization on s might be mistaken as a clue...

The capital T in the middle of that should tell you...

I knew it! (just didn't know what it signified)

[supershigi]

The only thing I was really sure of was that Ronnie was a bunny. In addition to acting very differently from other games she'd played in, the thing that sealed the deal for me was this: Before I died, I sent out a PM to the other players about why I suspected her (Ronnie was not on the list), and shortly after I had sent out that message, I got a message from Ronnie addressing the things in the PM she was not supposed to have received. That told me that there was at least one bunny amongst the folks in the PM-list, and that they had forwarded the PM to Ronnie. :hmm: Add to that the fact that I made a comment which didn't violate the original rules Tana posted, and Ronnie responded very defensively. Although it is possible, I doubt that at this point she would have defended so fervently had she been innocent.

I also felt that there were 3 bunnies, not 2 (but the reason I thought that was based on ratio -- 3 would have been a much fairer amount than 2, and it's the standard way to play for the in-person game).

I suspected Neko as well, because of the following: When I sent out the PM talking about how Ronnie's behavior was different in other games, Neko wrote me back talking about how she agreed with me and also witnessed this behavior in other games... The thing is, I don't think Neko had played in any other Doubt games with Ronnie because I'm pretty sure she joined Spongen right before the previous game where Ronnie was the GM :P I'm not 100% sure of this though, but it sort of set off a red flag in my head.

[Barbatos]

This probably has nothing to do with clues but if decibel was a bunny survivor from the last doubt game and Ronnie as GM was like a bunny in spirit, then it was obvious that the two were the bunnies while everyone else who had died in the past game was reincarnated as a wolf~ (except for dervv who met his end in the beginning of this game).

[Alisa_Tana]

lolz. I chose the bunnies at random actually. ;p



So Clue one, Ronnie didn't lead you guys astray with the _______ and _______ clue - One and One = Two. Two Bunnies, Haha ha.

Clue two: sounded, deafening, echo, snarl, growl and giggle = Sound words.

Clue three: Hunters are men, and represent the wolves. Gatherers are women, and represent bunny. Feminine Charms and Feminine Wiles.

Clue four: Light splits apart and makes what? A Rainbow! and Rainbows on paws are what? Rainbow Socks!

clue five: "Gathering all the victims /To be exterminated by the inquisition" lyrics from a song by Grave Digger entitled "Over the Sea"

clue six: this one I'm sure would have given it away... by this point Ronnie and Deci had been separated on the player list from the remaining wolves that were all clumped together. They Stood Alone, and the Wolves Stood together.

Ronnie's death: Still one bunny

clue seven: New, Naivete, babes... all word for noobs.




And yeah, about the poison thing, I prolly should have just left it, but the fact that I happened to just randomly choose poison as a method of killing wolves seemed benign enough that you wouldn't have inferred so much from it....
I'm apparently not good at clues if nobody but a bunny seemed to be able to piece them together.

[GubiD]

To be honest, I didnt understand any of the clues. The only one I did somewhat get was the light thing.

I did suspect Ronnie based on the light mention, as it makes rainbows and she had tons of that stuff.

As for deci, I just had an inkling, but before I said anything I was killed off. So whatever I suppose.

Perhaps next game I will understand a little more. :(

[Ronove]

Shigi, btw: when I sent you the PM, I saw what you said to Deci and co AFTER I sent that PM. It was just really really really bad timing on my part. And I'll have you know--I can grow up in how I play games dear. :P

In addition, I didn't just bring up your post because I was playing defensively--if I had been a wolf, I would have acted the same because that's how I felt--not because I was just acting. I'm sorry that turned out so terribly though, but that's how I felt about that particular part. I didn't want my roles to change just IN CASE Tana saw your post as being a ghost talking or implying too much. But that's the last I am going to talk about that.

[NekoThePyro]

I've played one doubt game on here before this one, Shigi. :D And before I played through that one, I had skimmed through a few previous ones whoever posted to see how it worked. So yeah. XD That's what I meant.

[supershigi]

In addition, I didn't just bring up your post because I was playing defensively--if I had been a wolf, I would have acted the same because that's how I felt--not because I was just acting. I'm sorry that turned out so terribly though, but that's how I felt about that particular part. I didn't want my roles to change just IN CASE Tana saw your post as being a ghost talking or implying too much. But that's the last I am going to talk about that.
Well as long as you know that I didn't violate any rules (given that I was such a big opponent of bad ghosts, I was very careful to check the original rules in addition to making sure that what I posted was in line with what I advocated in previous games :P).

@Neko: Yeah, I meant that the one game I thought you had played before was the one where Ronnie was GMing (as opposed to one where she was a townsperson). I figured you could have checked earlier games though, so I certainly didn't know you were a bunny for sure.

[Ronove]

You know, I don't think I'm ever going to be a WOLF in any of these games. >:| Always a bunny.

[Barbatos]

You know, I don't think I'm ever going to be a WOLF in any of these games. >:| Always a bunny.

Yep *pats bunny Ronnie on the head*

[decinoob]

:angrygrin: